This is factually incorrect. It does not matter what arguments and disagreements precede a case of domestic violence, the one who obviously invades and attacks the other is the one to be held accountable. No one has attacked Russia. So, this claim is pure propaganda that is not in the interest of global peace, order, or human values. "Who started it" is never a justification for sustained aggression.
13,000 - That is the number the Nazis assigned to Ethnic Germans supposedly being murdered by “bestial” native Poles in Poland that became the primary reason to justify the German invasion of 1939.
I guess the Nazi playbook really seems to work for the tyrant Putin.
You have to look a little deeper than who does what to whom. Action is only 1/4 of a system. There is belief, ideology and fears for autonomy (1/4), there are cultural and self-governance design issues (1/4), there are actions and reactions (1/4), and there are structural issues as well (1/4). You have to see the whole to understand. But if you look only at who does what you will have to condemn us all, including yourself. How did your last domestic argument go?
Since my Grandfather died there in 1941 I think I'm aware of the Russian control of Crimea.
Being under occupation by the Turks, then the underRussian's Czars, and the Russian Communist in 1921 hardly supports the idea of legitimate claim to this region.
The Russians gave Crimea to Ukraine because it had closer proximity then they did.
It has always been about Sevastopol and a warm water Black Sea port.
It’s a little more complicated than that and it’s been Russian since the 1700’s....but regardless of that, if the Russian speaking peoples in the regions had not been under military attack, it’s safe to say Russia would have not come to their aid.
Julian Assange is in jail for letting people know what the govt's are doing, do you think he should be free? The recording of Nuland saying F@## the EU is some of the evidence of misdeeds done by the US, have you heard about it? biden and co. would rather waste America's tax $ than solve problems at home imo.
The thing is you need to have PERSPECTIVE. Governments do unpleasant things that are "misdeeds" according to many and not others. They are run by people, who vary in their ideals and actions. The point to focus on is how the government corrects itself - what is the process? In a repressive government autocracy the only corrective action is some form of revolution. We have a messy, political, contentious, but overall socially engaged way of deciding what actions are good or bad. There is no universal standard - but we have votes (messy as they are) and many other ways to protest peacefully and without retribution. Russia does not. So that kind of unchecked power corrupts systemically in a way where individual corruption, which is also possible here, does not get rooted out as it does here. Have a systemic PERSPECTIVE, not just moral judgement of selected facts.
Sounds good, but do you really think our "votes" even make a difference anymore? Our govt. has been infiltrated, imo, by globalist psychopaths... You'll never get any truth on corporate media... I strongly recommend James Corbett and he recommends others like himself... Cheers.
Well, true. But that's why I said its messy. Disinformation, campaign lies, gerrymandering, mail controversies, corporate financing, huge ad campaigns...do you think so much would be thrown at it if the votes didn't matter? Even the most corrupt are trying to influence votes - so it works, for now. Polarity is the biggest problem because it can be manipulated by disinformation; not in the obvious way to favor one side, but because a polarized electorate with no valid information will tend to divide evenly. Then a 50:50 vote nullifies both sides and throws the election into the noise level where tricks and corruption decide. An instant runoff vote and/or 3 major parties would fix that. But abolishing it would not fix anything. Messy as it is, the real reason it works is that voters are routinely smarter than the people or groups trying to game the system. In time, we see through it all, or make it irrelevant. Make sure we keep the balance of powers and the vote, than the electorate can strive for wholeness.
I disagree, my perspective is based on my reasoning of how things should be, not concerning myself with the flaws of a system of bribes, corruption, established routines of maintaining control, posing itself as a representative government. I do not believe for even a minute, that this government is socially engaged. biden the arrogant warmonger shows only how deeply the DNC is propping up its supporters. I have seen this govt destroy the future of my generation, courtesy of the 1% control of the govt., every decision concerning matters of importance are made by profiteers, if no profit - no action. A society derived from a govt. whose decisions are only made for $ is how I perceive this govt. of tyrants. I don't see this gov't correcting itself, but repressing it's citizen's, every time I see a cop, I see a thug/bully who gets their kicks ruining lives upholding stupid laws, that do not bother Dr.'s but keep the poor miserable. Solar energy fairs in the 70's when we were #1 in solar and had a fighting chance against climate change, showed me a better future. The gov't controlled by the 1% promoted wasting $ on war and oil. I think Putin is a good man, and I think biden is a pos. I seen Nader run for president and seen the bs he faced, got the book by his campaign mgr. detailing all the bs thrown at his campaign. I do not know the Russian system, but if it results in better people in charge who are supported by 80% of the population, it just might be better than the bs we get.
You are totally in Denial. To say Putin is a good man and American President is a POS says it all about you and who and what you represent. If you really believe that the Orange S**T Stain is a patriot of the United States, you need therapy. If you morons reelect him it will be the last time you will ever vote for any President again(22nd Amendment will be repelled. If you morons want your children's and grandchildren's future to be of oppression, hate, fear, intimidation, corruption, threats, and no control of their own lives, then it is guaranteed if Dump is reelected.
Autocracy can seem like a good solution when you are frustrated looking at the what a system lacks as opposed to what it has. In that kind of light all systems of governance will be deemed adequate in time. But at what point do we look at them comparatively and choose to improve the system with the most potential for good? I am sure that will not be a blind following of Putin, and if the same is true of Biden, there is still the fact that he is elected, an important check and balance that goes away if you choose Putin's model. It boils down to real choices between actual alternatives, not imagined realities with heroes and demons. The armchair critic has the easiest job of all.
You know nothing of what you speak here... Assange published a whistle-blower's EVIDENCE OF SERIOUS MALFEASANCE by our MILITARY, ie, murdering journalists and other egregious acts of evil...
You'd prefer to let the govt. COVER UP this kind of thing?
You need to figure out just where to put your allegiance... in a corrupt and evil govt, or in the PEOPLE.
Did you see the videos of John McCain and Lindsey Graham, encouraging a room full of Ukraine soldiers to fight with the evil Putin 9 years ago? If Putin were that bad, why did it take 9 years of provocation, incited by US diplomats? McCain,. Graham, Nuland, and the rest of the warhawks have had this planned for a long time. We have video evidence of that.
Maybe you are young. I am 74. I was around when Russia was about as scary as it gets, with Khrushchev red faced, pounding the podium with his shoe as he spoke to the US and West saying "We will bury you"! They have an ideology that classes free people as fundamentally evil and dangerous. We have an ideology that free people can rule themselves with a fair system for airing differences and reaching agreements. Our approach is socially messy and 'in your face', like New Yorkers, because differences are real and need to be aired. Repressive regimes are on the surface orderly and compliant, but between revolutions. I think you know why. You are here engaging in and expecting a free airing of controversial views. That is not possible under the other way of thinking -- there you say what is orthodox or go to prison or worse.
Tom only repeats what he hears on the idiot box. Ordinary and predictable. How many speeches of President Putin has Tom read? How much independent research has Tom done. Tom is your average American.
You need to stop watching Western news outlets, and learn how to source information before demonstrating your ignorance of the reality of the war in Ukraine.
If Ukrainians want to fight and die so badly for the cause, why do they have a draft in the first place? Why isn't it fought voluntarily, if their support is so steadfast? Why are so many fleeing the country or deserting, to the point Zelensky has had to implement harsher laws against desertion?
It's indeed common sense, if not in the way you say. In all of history, there are very few wars that the common people have ever been willing to die for; it is those in power who put brother against brother and perpetuate the myth of war, without which no (or at least very few) wars would ever be fought. This war is no different. War is absolutely horrific, and I think you romanticise it a great degree.
To most people, there is nothing worse than the senseless violence of war, not only risking your own life in it, but what it will do to your family, to children, to loved ones, to pets (all those poor cats and dogs in Ukraine). The horror is certainly not worth it over a border dispute, and it never has been.
Hey Tom, I'm with you. Here's Wikipedia's take on "Ukraine on Fire":
Ukraine on Fire is a film directed by Igor Lopatonok and premiered at the 2016 Taormina Film Fest.[1] It features Oliver Stone, the executive producer,[2] interviewing pro-Russian figures surrounding the Revolution of Dignity such as Viktor Yanukovich and Vladimir Putin.[3] The film portrays the events that led to the flight of Yanukovych in February 2014 as a coup d'état orchestrated by the United States with the help of far-right Ukrainian factions. The film's central thesis is that the U.S. had used Ukraine as a proxy against Russia for many years. It also claims that a large and influential section of Ukrainian protestors involved in the 2014 Revolution of Dignity were neo-Nazis.[4][5][6][7][8]
The film was regarded by critics as presenting a "Kremlin-friendly version of the events".[9] It was also criticized for advancing the Russian narrative about the revolution.[10]
Putin has been rightfully upset in that the constant encroachment of NATO to surround him would be like Russia forming military support agreements with Canada and Mexico.
But mostly this is about continuing to support a gangster state far removed from Communism
Right. What matters is not the cause but the method. There will be causes for being upset always - we know this in our own lives. The issue is what you do about it. Seek cooperative agreements with neighbors. Find common ground. But that is not how gangsters work.
Dr. Kineman. I often think about the nature of a despot and how far they will go, especially when backed by their minions. Hitler as you know declared a State of Emergency (under Weimar law) in March of 1933. That granted him total power.
That Emergency ended with his charred body being found outside his Berlin Bunker in April 1945. At which point it is believed that 65 million people died.
That decent Americans can not seemingly see the danger we are in may well prove to be our true existential tragedy. Even prior to AI or Climate Change.
Agreed & anyone not grasping this can get their behinds on a plane to Ukraine to bear witness to what Putin has done! They'd be totally cool with this happening in their US town? Give me a freaking break! I honestly don't know which is worse anymore; the low IQs, under/miseducation, or downright occultist insanity that's being "normalized." It's all terrifying & heaven help us is direct karma for these nutjobs to grasp just how sick & demented Putins attack on Ukraine is, regardless of ANY extenuating circumstances. NOTHING justifies Putins conduct.
The thing not noted is that NATO is really just the cover for US hegemony which never uses diplomacy-I think that fair to say given the history. Economic sanctions and blowing up the NORD gas lines is not a diplomatic strategy.
What I disagree with is the fact that the US actually began the Ukraine war with its threatening military behavior. Having created the American propaganda that Russia is our boogeyman forever to be used when one is needed, the US has used NATO as cover for a US proxy war which clearly sacrifices Ukraine. I have seen white people do this using Black people in labor struggles knowing they would be the ones to get injured, jailed or killed while the white boys sit safely in the background pulling strings. Ukraine is the same dynamic but a much bigger and more threatening event.
I do agree that it is time to take the toys (NATO) away from the bully, the US.
Well folks, two people really lead us to this nightmare (maybe three w/ Kennan) the other two are John Foster and Allen Dulles, two connected to big time classic heirs of the Robber Barrons who were hell bent on making sure their ill gotten gains would NEVER be subject to the Communist ideology.
Allen Dulles as head of the CIA ginned up NATO and when Kennedy proved too be too soft on Commies, then he had JFK wacked.
David Talbot's "The Devil's Chessboard" is a must read that pulls the propaganda veil of the Cold War and JFKs assassination aside like the Wizard of Oz.
DENNIS you are SO right. I also would abolish NATO in addition to the Pentagon budget. This would provide for all the homeless and starving and we could have free education and healthcare.
This is a naive and privileged point of view. Have you been in repressive societies or is the freedom we enjoy in the US your reference frame? You seem to assume we would remain free without defense agreements, allies, geo-politics, etc. and that nobody else would want what we have enough to waltz over and take it, or to control you in a way that extracts wealth and power. Yes, these things happen anyway, everywhere, but you have no idea the degree to which it could go. I do not like these things either, but we have to understand human history and how people work. Look, you are already in combat here on the internet - what does that turn into when there is a strong judgmental following, then add military hardware and planning and a few instances where some foe commits a sin. Peace has to begin with the individual constituents of society.
I agree with your points which you put across simply and well so that I may quote you one day.
Do we have to always blame Russia for invading, and then speak in contrary manner? It's the most repeated ' apology' by writers and speakers against NATO's provocation. I used to think that way but frustration with myself has burgeoned this past month. Surely the 15,000 dead in the civil war matter? Wasn't breaking Minsk a cause of death? Didn't Zelensky lie about peace to get elected? Whose most responsible for the cause of death? Who should we put most on trial at ' Nuremberg'? The USA, UK, NATO, Ukraine's leadership or Putin?
Tom, I cannot answer that but will respond to the gist of it that I remember. Please forgive me if I stumble.
Your blamed Russia and seemed offended that I laid blame at NATO and USA's doorstep.
Your points were invalid because you ignored history, particularly from 2014 onwards. The USA overthrew the Ukrainian government. Radicals were allowed to proliferate, resulting in citizen terror and a new Ukrainian army which was overtly and covertly supported by the West. Suddenly, a Slavic nation was xenophobic, the Russian language under attack despite most speaking it, and 40% of the population being of Russian origin. 15,000 people died in the civil war in the East. Zelensky was elected by Ukrainians for promising peace. He lied, but that was likely planned as Germany and France admitted that they had fraudulently signed the Minsk treaty only to gain time to build up troops. I haven't even gotten to NATO yet but I don;t want to be rude by posting a link to my own page where I detail that history.
For an easy education, check out the video Scott Ritter released today, about Zelensky - https://youtu.be/HLeBb6hPUC8
Tom, now that I've read the other comments, I'm guessing that yours was deleted by the admin because you repeated the same words in the thread above. Repetition can be seen as trollish or propaganda rather than honest engagement.
Can you document your history with more than a YouTube video. I watched your link for about 6 minutes and felt like I was watching propaganda. A review of the Scott Ritter channel verified it as Russophile. If he is not on the Russian payroll he should be. Hey send me the link to your page.
The recourse of a weak position: Insult the messenger. Nice going, Eric. Whatever you do, NEVER actually talk facts. That would be a fatal mistake for you.
Unfortunately, there are trolls who find real people dying to be their childish internet game. It's a lonely sight imagining them. I take comfort in the anti-war crowd which shines brighter than that basement.
You are either extremely lazy to not research Scott Ritter, or you are ill-intentioned. Similarly, you could have accepted my respecting someone else's substack page but not posting links to myself. Even then, you chose not to click on the link next to my name, and do some easy digging. I wonder why. No question mark because truthseekers don't act like that.
NATO is just a scam to provide weapons orders to the US MIC, with bonus juicy benefits packages for the welfare queens otherwise known as the US professional military. It ABSOLUTELY needs to be defunded and abolished. But since it has taken over most of the public discourse and owns most legacy media outlets, this will not be a simple task.
The UN, WHO, WEF, CFR etc etc are all created by the central banking cartel. I worked for Dennis Kucinich during his presidential campaign in 03/04 I was a FAA Commercial pilot on the day of 9 11, living in Mountain View, California. Investigate 9 11 Dennis. I'll help you. I knew on that day, as a pilot, that the official story was false. Let's not get distracted 🕊️❤️🙏☘️
Glenn Greenwald showed that the govt. is now wanting to buy data about people that would normally require a search warrant, Barry Cooper the narc turned kopwatcher says America is the most unfree nation in the world. WE NEED TO ORGANIZE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, DEVELOP NEIGHBORHOOD POLITICAL ACTIVITY TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THE WARMONGERING LYING ELECTED REP'S IN OFFICE. PUT UP NOTICES TELLING PEOPLE TO UNITE NOW AGAINST THE BANKSTERS/1% WHO ARE PLOTTING AGAINST US. THE DRUG WAR AND THE ENDLESS WARS ARE MAKING US HOMELESS IN OUR OWN COUNTRY.
Dennis, Bobby & all wishing to understand Ukraine & western Oligarchy, Please watch 'Agent-Zelensky' starting /c Hollywood, CIA, Ihor Kolomoisky Ukrainian billionaire Dnipropetrovsk Oblast leader, Ukrnafta Oil & Gas, Privat Bank Pandora Papers on international ownership, Mi6 Richard Moore Investigation by Scott Ritter 11Jul’23 36m5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLeBb6hPUC8
Thank you Dennis for speaking up about this so clearly. NATO is a terrible menace, as you rightly say, and is being used to weaponize many nations into conflicts that could lead to even greater catastrophes than we are witnessing now in Ukraine.
I strongly support the above article as NATO has been regarded as the greatest threat to world peace and security for a very long time.
There is already talk the 2% of GNP is going to become 3or 4% which is no more than a revenue grab for American arms dealers.
NATO's performance in this war is a shambles for too many reasons to list here.
NATO member states are slaves to the empire's wars. All thirty of them are looting their own countries to finance the empire's delusional wars and ambitions. The treason and betrayal are unconscionable .
I have restacked and expressed my deep and abiding support for the leadership for peace Dennis Kucinich brings to our country and our human family around the globe. His life’s cause has been peace. Onward as he leads the campaign of Robert F. Kennedy for the democratic nomination to the presidency of the United States of America. In God we trust.
Russia was not the aggressor in this war and this war wouldn’t be happening had America not interfered in Ukrainian elections.
This is factually incorrect. It does not matter what arguments and disagreements precede a case of domestic violence, the one who obviously invades and attacks the other is the one to be held accountable. No one has attacked Russia. So, this claim is pure propaganda that is not in the interest of global peace, order, or human values. "Who started it" is never a justification for sustained aggression.
So you don’t view Ukraine killing 13000 Russians in the Donbass as an act of aggression?
Doe the violation of the Minsk Agreement and the 2014 Maiden Coup ring a bell with you or does your frame of reference begin in 2022?
My personal frame of reference begins in 1949, but through study much before that, even going back to 3300BC. How about yours?
Is one death less important than 13,000? I refuse to let such matters be decided by arithmatic.
I was 1000 short....https://tass.com/politics/1417543
13,000 - That is the number the Nazis assigned to Ethnic Germans supposedly being murdered by “bestial” native Poles in Poland that became the primary reason to justify the German invasion of 1939.
I guess the Nazi playbook really seems to work for the tyrant Putin.
You have to look a little deeper than who does what to whom. Action is only 1/4 of a system. There is belief, ideology and fears for autonomy (1/4), there are cultural and self-governance design issues (1/4), there are actions and reactions (1/4), and there are structural issues as well (1/4). You have to see the whole to understand. But if you look only at who does what you will have to condemn us all, including yourself. How did your last domestic argument go?
Total unmitigated BS
Your statement is right out of the FSB playbook
If you say so....I have no idea what the FSB is but it sounds like it hurt your feelings.😂
That's a fabulous first time insight for me. So, taking Crimea was due to election interference in Ukraine too?
What a great alternative history meme.
Crimea has been Russian for centuries
Since my Grandfather died there in 1941 I think I'm aware of the Russian control of Crimea.
Being under occupation by the Turks, then the underRussian's Czars, and the Russian Communist in 1921 hardly supports the idea of legitimate claim to this region.
The Russians gave Crimea to Ukraine because it had closer proximity then they did.
It has always been about Sevastopol and a warm water Black Sea port.
It’s a little more complicated than that and it’s been Russian since the 1700’s....but regardless of that, if the Russian speaking peoples in the regions had not been under military attack, it’s safe to say Russia would have not come to their aid.
Julian Assange is in jail for letting people know what the govt's are doing, do you think he should be free? The recording of Nuland saying F@## the EU is some of the evidence of misdeeds done by the US, have you heard about it? biden and co. would rather waste America's tax $ than solve problems at home imo.
The thing is you need to have PERSPECTIVE. Governments do unpleasant things that are "misdeeds" according to many and not others. They are run by people, who vary in their ideals and actions. The point to focus on is how the government corrects itself - what is the process? In a repressive government autocracy the only corrective action is some form of revolution. We have a messy, political, contentious, but overall socially engaged way of deciding what actions are good or bad. There is no universal standard - but we have votes (messy as they are) and many other ways to protest peacefully and without retribution. Russia does not. So that kind of unchecked power corrupts systemically in a way where individual corruption, which is also possible here, does not get rooted out as it does here. Have a systemic PERSPECTIVE, not just moral judgement of selected facts.
Yes, and how many times can a man turn his head
And pretend that he just doesn't see?
The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind
The answer is blowin' in the wind.
Sounds good, but do you really think our "votes" even make a difference anymore? Our govt. has been infiltrated, imo, by globalist psychopaths... You'll never get any truth on corporate media... I strongly recommend James Corbett and he recommends others like himself... Cheers.
Well, true. But that's why I said its messy. Disinformation, campaign lies, gerrymandering, mail controversies, corporate financing, huge ad campaigns...do you think so much would be thrown at it if the votes didn't matter? Even the most corrupt are trying to influence votes - so it works, for now. Polarity is the biggest problem because it can be manipulated by disinformation; not in the obvious way to favor one side, but because a polarized electorate with no valid information will tend to divide evenly. Then a 50:50 vote nullifies both sides and throws the election into the noise level where tricks and corruption decide. An instant runoff vote and/or 3 major parties would fix that. But abolishing it would not fix anything. Messy as it is, the real reason it works is that voters are routinely smarter than the people or groups trying to game the system. In time, we see through it all, or make it irrelevant. Make sure we keep the balance of powers and the vote, than the electorate can strive for wholeness.
I'm not seeing how the votes can matter, that's what I'm saying... They seem to be getting trashed, as in, filed in the Round File!
I don't trust the political system AT ALL, and especially not the national stuff...
I think the key is to go local, and DUMP the central gov and central banks, and basically find a different system! Wooooo Hoooooooooo
I disagree, my perspective is based on my reasoning of how things should be, not concerning myself with the flaws of a system of bribes, corruption, established routines of maintaining control, posing itself as a representative government. I do not believe for even a minute, that this government is socially engaged. biden the arrogant warmonger shows only how deeply the DNC is propping up its supporters. I have seen this govt destroy the future of my generation, courtesy of the 1% control of the govt., every decision concerning matters of importance are made by profiteers, if no profit - no action. A society derived from a govt. whose decisions are only made for $ is how I perceive this govt. of tyrants. I don't see this gov't correcting itself, but repressing it's citizen's, every time I see a cop, I see a thug/bully who gets their kicks ruining lives upholding stupid laws, that do not bother Dr.'s but keep the poor miserable. Solar energy fairs in the 70's when we were #1 in solar and had a fighting chance against climate change, showed me a better future. The gov't controlled by the 1% promoted wasting $ on war and oil. I think Putin is a good man, and I think biden is a pos. I seen Nader run for president and seen the bs he faced, got the book by his campaign mgr. detailing all the bs thrown at his campaign. I do not know the Russian system, but if it results in better people in charge who are supported by 80% of the population, it just might be better than the bs we get.
You are totally in Denial. To say Putin is a good man and American President is a POS says it all about you and who and what you represent. If you really believe that the Orange S**T Stain is a patriot of the United States, you need therapy. If you morons reelect him it will be the last time you will ever vote for any President again(22nd Amendment will be repelled. If you morons want your children's and grandchildren's future to be of oppression, hate, fear, intimidation, corruption, threats, and no control of their own lives, then it is guaranteed if Dump is reelected.
I hear you, and yes, yes, yes, but I will say, not all cops are bad... depends on where you are, at least for now...
Autocracy can seem like a good solution when you are frustrated looking at the what a system lacks as opposed to what it has. In that kind of light all systems of governance will be deemed adequate in time. But at what point do we look at them comparatively and choose to improve the system with the most potential for good? I am sure that will not be a blind following of Putin, and if the same is true of Biden, there is still the fact that he is elected, an important check and balance that goes away if you choose Putin's model. It boils down to real choices between actual alternatives, not imagined realities with heroes and demons. The armchair critic has the easiest job of all.
correction -"in that kind of light all systems of governance will be deemed <Inadequate> in time"
Tom Calarco:
You know nothing of what you speak here... Assange published a whistle-blower's EVIDENCE OF SERIOUS MALFEASANCE by our MILITARY, ie, murdering journalists and other egregious acts of evil...
You'd prefer to let the govt. COVER UP this kind of thing?
You need to figure out just where to put your allegiance... in a corrupt and evil govt, or in the PEOPLE.
Did you see the videos of John McCain and Lindsey Graham, encouraging a room full of Ukraine soldiers to fight with the evil Putin 9 years ago? If Putin were that bad, why did it take 9 years of provocation, incited by US diplomats? McCain,. Graham, Nuland, and the rest of the warhawks have had this planned for a long time. We have video evidence of that.
Maybe you are young. I am 74. I was around when Russia was about as scary as it gets, with Khrushchev red faced, pounding the podium with his shoe as he spoke to the US and West saying "We will bury you"! They have an ideology that classes free people as fundamentally evil and dangerous. We have an ideology that free people can rule themselves with a fair system for airing differences and reaching agreements. Our approach is socially messy and 'in your face', like New Yorkers, because differences are real and need to be aired. Repressive regimes are on the surface orderly and compliant, but between revolutions. I think you know why. You are here engaging in and expecting a free airing of controversial views. That is not possible under the other way of thinking -- there you say what is orthodox or go to prison or worse.
You are the one talking BS here.
Tom only repeats what he hears on the idiot box. Ordinary and predictable. How many speeches of President Putin has Tom read? How much independent research has Tom done. Tom is your average American.
See: Ukraine on Fire. The 2014 Maiden Coup was the trigger and justification for this war. Putin’s response was very reserved and entirely legitimate.
Proud of people like Oliver Stone who put their neck out for the truth.
Why did the Ukrainian military kill 13000 Russian speaking Ukrainians in the Donbass after the CIA organized Maiden coup?
You need to stop watching Western news outlets, and learn how to source information before demonstrating your ignorance of the reality of the war in Ukraine.
If Ukrainians want to fight and die so badly for the cause, why do they have a draft in the first place? Why isn't it fought voluntarily, if their support is so steadfast? Why are so many fleeing the country or deserting, to the point Zelensky has had to implement harsher laws against desertion?
It's indeed common sense, if not in the way you say. In all of history, there are very few wars that the common people have ever been willing to die for; it is those in power who put brother against brother and perpetuate the myth of war, without which no (or at least very few) wars would ever be fought. This war is no different. War is absolutely horrific, and I think you romanticise it a great degree.
To most people, there is nothing worse than the senseless violence of war, not only risking your own life in it, but what it will do to your family, to children, to loved ones, to pets (all those poor cats and dogs in Ukraine). The horror is certainly not worth it over a border dispute, and it never has been.
Hey Tom, I'm with you. Here's Wikipedia's take on "Ukraine on Fire":
Ukraine on Fire is a film directed by Igor Lopatonok and premiered at the 2016 Taormina Film Fest.[1] It features Oliver Stone, the executive producer,[2] interviewing pro-Russian figures surrounding the Revolution of Dignity such as Viktor Yanukovich and Vladimir Putin.[3] The film portrays the events that led to the flight of Yanukovych in February 2014 as a coup d'état orchestrated by the United States with the help of far-right Ukrainian factions. The film's central thesis is that the U.S. had used Ukraine as a proxy against Russia for many years. It also claims that a large and influential section of Ukrainian protestors involved in the 2014 Revolution of Dignity were neo-Nazis.[4][5][6][7][8]
The film was regarded by critics as presenting a "Kremlin-friendly version of the events".[9] It was also criticized for advancing the Russian narrative about the revolution.[10]
Putin has been rightfully upset in that the constant encroachment of NATO to surround him would be like Russia forming military support agreements with Canada and Mexico.
But mostly this is about continuing to support a gangster state far removed from Communism
Right. What matters is not the cause but the method. There will be causes for being upset always - we know this in our own lives. The issue is what you do about it. Seek cooperative agreements with neighbors. Find common ground. But that is not how gangsters work.
Dr. Kineman. I often think about the nature of a despot and how far they will go, especially when backed by their minions. Hitler as you know declared a State of Emergency (under Weimar law) in March of 1933. That granted him total power.
That Emergency ended with his charred body being found outside his Berlin Bunker in April 1945. At which point it is believed that 65 million people died.
That decent Americans can not seemingly see the danger we are in may well prove to be our true existential tragedy. Even prior to AI or Climate Change.
Agreed & anyone not grasping this can get their behinds on a plane to Ukraine to bear witness to what Putin has done! They'd be totally cool with this happening in their US town? Give me a freaking break! I honestly don't know which is worse anymore; the low IQs, under/miseducation, or downright occultist insanity that's being "normalized." It's all terrifying & heaven help us is direct karma for these nutjobs to grasp just how sick & demented Putins attack on Ukraine is, regardless of ANY extenuating circumstances. NOTHING justifies Putins conduct.
No, it's the reality of it. Listen to corporate media and you'll get nothing but BS.
Yes, NATO should have disbanded when the Warsaw Pact disbanded, at least. Thanks so much for telling it like it is, Dennis Kucinich.
Everywhere NATO goes ends up a disaster. It's amazing that this criminal enterprise continues to exist in light of its history.
Here is a list of geo-political/military aliances during my lifetime. Which have been good or bad and for whom?
1949 North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)[note 6]
List
1949–1989 Secret Swedish-American Alliance[5] United States
Sweden
1950–1979 Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance China
Soviet Union
1951 Mutual Defense Treaty (United States–Philippines) Philippines
United States
1951 ANZUS Treaty Australia
New Zealand
United States
1951 U.S.-Japan Alliance Japan
United States
1952 Brazil–United States Treaty Brazil
United States
1952 US–Israel Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement[6] Israel
United States
1953 Mutual Defense Treaty (United States–South Korea) South Korea
United States
1953–1956 Agreement of Friendship and Cooperation Greece
Turkey
Yugoslavia
1954 Mutual Defense Assistance Agreement (United States-Pakistan) Pakistan
United States
1954–1977 Southeast Asia Treaty Organization (SEATO)
List
1954–2011 Western European Union
List
1955–1979 Middle East Treaty Organization (METO) Iran
Iraq (withdrew in 1959)
Pakistan
Turkey
United Kingdom
1955–1991 Warsaw Pact
List
1955–1975 Simonstown Agreement South Africa
United Kingdom
1955–1980 Sino-American Mutual Defense Treaty China
United States
1957–1967 Anglo-Malayan Defence Agreement Malaya
United Kingdom
1958–1962 Anglo-Nigerian Defence Agreement[7] Nigeria
United Kingdom
1958 US-UK Mutual Defence Agreement United Kingdom
United States
1960 Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan Japan
United States
1961 Sino-North Korean Mutual Aid and Cooperation Friendship Treaty China
North Korea
1962 Thanat–Rusk Communiqué Thailand
United States
1964–1979 Anglo-Maltese Defence Agreement[8] Malta
United Kingdom
1967–1972 Egypt–Jordan Mutual Defense Agreement[9] Egypt
Jordan
1968–1974 Mauritius-United Kingdom Mutual Defence and Assistance Agreement[10][11] Mauritius
United Kingdom
1970–1974 Alcora Exercise Portugal
Rhodesia
South Africa
1971 Five Power Defence Arrangements Australia
Malaysia
New Zealand
Singapore
United Kingdom
1975–1994 Israel–South Africa Agreement Israel
South Africa
1979 Taiwan Relations Act Taiwan
United States
1982 Regional Security System
List
1984 Peninsula Shield Force Bahrain
Kuwait
Oman
Qatar
Saudi Arabia
United Arab Emirates
1992 Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) Armenia
Belarus
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Russia
Tajikistan
1997 Union State Belarus
Russia
1999 European Union[note 7]
List
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2000–Present
Years Name Members
2010 Agreement on Strategic Partnership and Mutual Support[note 8] Azerbaijan
Turkey
2010 Lancaster House Treaties France
United Kingdom
2014 Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement Philippines
United States
2015 Islamic Military Counter Terrorism Coalition
List
2015 Russia–Syria–Iran–Iraq coalition Iran
Iraq
Russia
Syria
Hezbollah
2015–2020 U.S.–Afghanistan Strategic Partnership Agreement Afghanistan
United States
2017 Anglo-Polish Defense Treaty[13] United Kingdom
Poland
2019 US-Greece Defense Agreement[14][15] Greece
United States
2020 Lublin Triangle Lithuania
Poland
Ukraine
2021 AUKUS Australia
United Kingdom
United States
2021 Franco-Greek defence agreement France
Greece
2021 Shusha Declaration Azerbaijan
Turkey
2021 Israel-United Kingdom Defence Pact[16][17] Israel
United Kingdom
2021 US-Jordan Defense Cooperation Agreement[18] Jordan
United States
2022 British–Polish–Ukrainian trilateral pact Poland
Ukraine
United Kingdom[19]
2022 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance between the Russian Federation and the Lugansk People's Republic[20][21] Luhansk
Russia
2022 Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance between the Russian Federation and the Donetsk People's Republic[20][21] Donetsk
Russia
2022 Solomon Islands-China Security Pact[22][23] China
Solomon Islands
2022 UK-Sweden Defence Agreement[24][25] Sweden
United Kingdom
2022 UK-Finland Defence Agreement[26][25] Finland
United Kingdom
2022 UK-Oman Mutual Defence Agreement[27] Oman
United Kingdom
2022 Egypt-Iraq-Jordan Entente[28] Egypt
Iraq
Jordan
2022 Japan-Australia Reciprocal Access Agreement Australia
Japan
2023 Anglo-Japanese Reciprocal Access Agreement[29] Japan
United Kingdom
2023 Anglo-Greek Defence Agreement[30][31] Greece
United Kingdom
The thing not noted is that NATO is really just the cover for US hegemony which never uses diplomacy-I think that fair to say given the history. Economic sanctions and blowing up the NORD gas lines is not a diplomatic strategy.
What I disagree with is the fact that the US actually began the Ukraine war with its threatening military behavior. Having created the American propaganda that Russia is our boogeyman forever to be used when one is needed, the US has used NATO as cover for a US proxy war which clearly sacrifices Ukraine. I have seen white people do this using Black people in labor struggles knowing they would be the ones to get injured, jailed or killed while the white boys sit safely in the background pulling strings. Ukraine is the same dynamic but a much bigger and more threatening event.
I do agree that it is time to take the toys (NATO) away from the bully, the US.
Well folks, two people really lead us to this nightmare (maybe three w/ Kennan) the other two are John Foster and Allen Dulles, two connected to big time classic heirs of the Robber Barrons who were hell bent on making sure their ill gotten gains would NEVER be subject to the Communist ideology.
Allen Dulles as head of the CIA ginned up NATO and when Kennedy proved too be too soft on Commies, then he had JFK wacked.
David Talbot's "The Devil's Chessboard" is a must read that pulls the propaganda veil of the Cold War and JFKs assassination aside like the Wizard of Oz.
DENNIS you are SO right. I also would abolish NATO in addition to the Pentagon budget. This would provide for all the homeless and starving and we could have free education and healthcare.
This is a naive and privileged point of view. Have you been in repressive societies or is the freedom we enjoy in the US your reference frame? You seem to assume we would remain free without defense agreements, allies, geo-politics, etc. and that nobody else would want what we have enough to waltz over and take it, or to control you in a way that extracts wealth and power. Yes, these things happen anyway, everywhere, but you have no idea the degree to which it could go. I do not like these things either, but we have to understand human history and how people work. Look, you are already in combat here on the internet - what does that turn into when there is a strong judgmental following, then add military hardware and planning and a few instances where some foe commits a sin. Peace has to begin with the individual constituents of society.
I agree with your points which you put across simply and well so that I may quote you one day.
Do we have to always blame Russia for invading, and then speak in contrary manner? It's the most repeated ' apology' by writers and speakers against NATO's provocation. I used to think that way but frustration with myself has burgeoned this past month. Surely the 15,000 dead in the civil war matter? Wasn't breaking Minsk a cause of death? Didn't Zelensky lie about peace to get elected? Whose most responsible for the cause of death? Who should we put most on trial at ' Nuremberg'? The USA, UK, NATO, Ukraine's leadership or Putin?
Tom, I cannot answer that but will respond to the gist of it that I remember. Please forgive me if I stumble.
Your blamed Russia and seemed offended that I laid blame at NATO and USA's doorstep.
Your points were invalid because you ignored history, particularly from 2014 onwards. The USA overthrew the Ukrainian government. Radicals were allowed to proliferate, resulting in citizen terror and a new Ukrainian army which was overtly and covertly supported by the West. Suddenly, a Slavic nation was xenophobic, the Russian language under attack despite most speaking it, and 40% of the population being of Russian origin. 15,000 people died in the civil war in the East. Zelensky was elected by Ukrainians for promising peace. He lied, but that was likely planned as Germany and France admitted that they had fraudulently signed the Minsk treaty only to gain time to build up troops. I haven't even gotten to NATO yet but I don;t want to be rude by posting a link to my own page where I detail that history.
For an easy education, check out the video Scott Ritter released today, about Zelensky - https://youtu.be/HLeBb6hPUC8
Tom, now that I've read the other comments, I'm guessing that yours was deleted by the admin because you repeated the same words in the thread above. Repetition can be seen as trollish or propaganda rather than honest engagement.
Scott Ritter - you mean the PEDOPHILE Scott Ridder?
OK he was right about WMD's but he was hardly alone
Can you document your history with more than a YouTube video. I watched your link for about 6 minutes and felt like I was watching propaganda. A review of the Scott Ritter channel verified it as Russophile. If he is not on the Russian payroll he should be. Hey send me the link to your page.
The recourse of a weak position: Insult the messenger. Nice going, Eric. Whatever you do, NEVER actually talk facts. That would be a fatal mistake for you.
Unfortunately, there are trolls who find real people dying to be their childish internet game. It's a lonely sight imagining them. I take comfort in the anti-war crowd which shines brighter than that basement.
You are either extremely lazy to not research Scott Ritter, or you are ill-intentioned. Similarly, you could have accepted my respecting someone else's substack page but not posting links to myself. Even then, you chose not to click on the link next to my name, and do some easy digging. I wonder why. No question mark because truthseekers don't act like that.
Ritter is probably a Kompromat puppet of the FSB - Ritters exposure as a pedophile kind of puts him in a Jeffrey Epstein scenario
Thank you for this insightful perspective, Dennis Kucinich. You are a brilliant peacenik. Always have been.
NATO is just a scam to provide weapons orders to the US MIC, with bonus juicy benefits packages for the welfare queens otherwise known as the US professional military. It ABSOLUTELY needs to be defunded and abolished. But since it has taken over most of the public discourse and owns most legacy media outlets, this will not be a simple task.
This is a whole bunch of malarkey
First of all, the European nations are not trigger happy into going to war with Russia, simply not true.
Are accomplices not culpable under the Law?
I switched off when you said: "This is not to absolve Russia of the invasion"
Any article with qualifying statement in it gets my thumbs down and binned.
God bless Russia and grant them good success in Ukraine.
Oh that we had someone like President Putin to lead us in our own western degenerate society.
The UN, WHO, WEF, CFR etc etc are all created by the central banking cartel. I worked for Dennis Kucinich during his presidential campaign in 03/04 I was a FAA Commercial pilot on the day of 9 11, living in Mountain View, California. Investigate 9 11 Dennis. I'll help you. I knew on that day, as a pilot, that the official story was false. Let's not get distracted 🕊️❤️🙏☘️
Glenn Greenwald showed that the govt. is now wanting to buy data about people that would normally require a search warrant, Barry Cooper the narc turned kopwatcher says America is the most unfree nation in the world. WE NEED TO ORGANIZE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS, DEVELOP NEIGHBORHOOD POLITICAL ACTIVITY TO PUSH BACK AGAINST THE WARMONGERING LYING ELECTED REP'S IN OFFICE. PUT UP NOTICES TELLING PEOPLE TO UNITE NOW AGAINST THE BANKSTERS/1% WHO ARE PLOTTING AGAINST US. THE DRUG WAR AND THE ENDLESS WARS ARE MAKING US HOMELESS IN OUR OWN COUNTRY.
Dennis, Bobby & all wishing to understand Ukraine & western Oligarchy, Please watch 'Agent-Zelensky' starting /c Hollywood, CIA, Ihor Kolomoisky Ukrainian billionaire Dnipropetrovsk Oblast leader, Ukrnafta Oil & Gas, Privat Bank Pandora Papers on international ownership, Mi6 Richard Moore Investigation by Scott Ritter 11Jul’23 36m5s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLeBb6hPUC8
Thank you Dennis for speaking up about this so clearly. NATO is a terrible menace, as you rightly say, and is being used to weaponize many nations into conflicts that could lead to even greater catastrophes than we are witnessing now in Ukraine.
I strongly support the above article as NATO has been regarded as the greatest threat to world peace and security for a very long time.
There is already talk the 2% of GNP is going to become 3or 4% which is no more than a revenue grab for American arms dealers.
NATO's performance in this war is a shambles for too many reasons to list here.
NATO member states are slaves to the empire's wars. All thirty of them are looting their own countries to finance the empire's delusional wars and ambitions. The treason and betrayal are unconscionable .
I have restacked and expressed my deep and abiding support for the leadership for peace Dennis Kucinich brings to our country and our human family around the globe. His life’s cause has been peace. Onward as he leads the campaign of Robert F. Kennedy for the democratic nomination to the presidency of the United States of America. In God we trust.