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I was diagnosed by a psychiatrist as mentally unfit for service in 1969 because I said that, faced with the prospect of taking another human life, especially someone whose country I had invaded, I would probably kill myself instead. I reasoned that if I killed another it's a burden I'd carry with me my entire life, whereas if I killed myself, whatever happens after that, it would be over and done. Considering the fact that all wars are simply to serve the ruling elite, in this case the corporatocracy that runs our country, and the millions of PTSD cases out there, I stand by my decision.

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Thank you Steve Doll for being "Mentally fit" to serve humanity but not murder! This does bring up some interesting 'Right-&-obligation-to-Protect-the-innocent' situations. Probably most Americans Dem&Rep would feel justified to kill a whole platoon of 'foreign murderers', but would they recognize their fellow US soldiers as 'foreign murderers' in Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya etc where there were no "weapons of mass destruction" except in the minds of our Zionist Oligarch rulers. We have killed & genocided so many 100s of millions of innocent women & children yet continue to support our sick $$ captured genocidal government representative. It typically takes a couple of years for 50% of every generation of soldiers to realize how they've been lied to & everything they believed was false & opposite, only to 'carry this burden of being murderers for their entire lives'.

ECONOMIC DEMOCRACY was the system of empowerment employed by all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors to maintain sovereignty in the hands of people locally. Real Democracy also includes universal individual business ownership & empowerment in the specialized Domestic, Industrial & Commercial Production-Society-Guilds as well as use of time-based, equivalency accounting on the once worldwide String-shell Value System (eg. Wampum on Turtle-Island, Quipu in S. America, Cowrie in indigenous Celtic & Slavic Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia & all islands). https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/8-economic-democracy

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Forget all the other WMD's, including the farcical nuclear race. Money and the motivation behind it to acquire it at any cost is the most destructive force ever conceived by humans. The essential difference between it and all the others is, like religion, it is born totally of the whole cloth of imagination and continues its power through misinformation, fear, and ignorance of its true nature.

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PEACE AS 'ECONOMY' (Gk. 'oikos' = 'home' + 'namein' = 'care-&-nurture')

Hey Steve, I agree with you about Oligarch top-down, centrally issued fake 'MONEY' (Greek 'mnemosis' = 'memory'), in fact 'Amnesia'. Most people without digging deep into understanding, are at the point of rejecting human 'memory' of each other's contributions, tragically. I'm 60 years of my 71 years involved in 1st Nation & worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') solidarity, working & living with folks & absorbing what I can. All indigenous humanity's worldwide String-shell is a system of 'memory', accounting celebration & reflection for the contributions, experience, expertise & decision-making acumen, which flows therein. String-shell systematically integrates 'Capital' (L. 'cap' = 'head' = 'collective-intelligence'), 'Currency' ('Flow' or 'recognition for exchange'), 'Condolence' (Social-security in all forms), Collegial mentored-apprentice 'education' (L. 'educare' = 'to-lead-forth-from-within') Credit, time-math Communication, professional Costume for recognition of essential service expertise etc. into one integrated accounting cycle. Such recognition-accounting, celebration & reflection enables people to make wise decisions together as complementary parts of a whole. String-shell is issued from the Bottom-up in each collective Domestic (mostly women), Industry & Commerce (mostly men) sector of 'economy'. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy

Each specialized labour or profession is organized in progressive-lifelong or career-long ownership in Production-Society-Guilds. With each person invested, decisional & responsible in his or her specific profession as part of the whole, then decision-making is confidently delegated to each level of expertise. I know the success of progressive-ownership, from having helped implement Multistakeholder Participatory investment, ownership & Board Representation in industry & commerce.

Participatory Companies http://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/7-participatory-companies

Rateable Corporations (eg. 'B' corporations) https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy/3-rateable-non-profit-corporations

We can understand from reading various sources of history, how 7000 years ago in Babylon, oligarchy & a sect took centralized control of the issue of metal-coin fake 'money', which ceased to have 'Community' (L. 'com' = 'together' + 'munus' = 'gift-or-service') memory for each person's contributions. Hugely important was the loss of recognition for the Domestic economy (mostly women) as the core of 'economy' & community intelligence, particularly starting in the ~100 (50-150) person Multihome-Dwelling-Complex (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village). The primary task of men & women should be about recognizing, accounting-for & empowering collective Domestic labours & professions. Organizing ourselves Culturally is far better than waiting in line in inappropriately scaled & detached institutions where people don't know who we are or at the Old-Folks Homes.

BODY AS A MODEL FOR SOCIETY'S INTEGRATED 'ORGAN'IZATION

The mathematics of organization & governance in indigenous society is based in cultural 'fractals' ('fraction, multiplier, building-block, where-the-part-contains-the-whole'). One can compare this fractal organization with the autonomous organization of the genes, cells, tissue & organs of the human & other animal bodies. Economic Memory with bodily autonomy. Modern neurology has established how each part has both neurons, memory, intelligence & the autonomous mandate to act with their specific knowledge. The brain is considered as one of several body Nexus for the inter-communication of these events & coordinated action by the whole body, often well after the fact. The stomach for its integrated body nourishing functions, has more neurons than the brain. The body is synonymous with the body-politic or society at various levels. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/3-economic-memory

Without-memory being amnesia, Oligarch rulers imposed centralized linear centralized controls in a whole range of business & government activities, which has led to our present terminal stage war & ecological destruction, pushed by this same lineage of oligarchs.

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Alice's Restaurant 🎶 Goodonya.

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Sadly, Alice just passed away yesterday, ironically just before Thanksgiving.

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Yes-I heard! I play that song every turkey day!

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I was too young but remember telling my parents I would serve but not kill. "I'll drive a truck or something."

It should be an option.

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It is in many countries where all serve.

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You were young, but light years ahead in wisdom.

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" I believe it is honorable, a sacred obligation, to serve in defense of one’s country". Mr Kucinich opines.

NOBODY has a a sacred obligation to serve in the defense of one's country, especially as none of the wars since WW2 have been 'defensive'.... all have been offensive, mostly based on a pack of lies from the President, Congress or both.

Even if the war is 'defensive' every individual has the right to be a conscientious objector, to refuse the morally government sanctioned demand to kill another human being, without being persecuted for 'cowardice'.

In the event of a re-introduction of the draft, I hope all within the proscribed age range do everything in their power to avoid any form of service in the military.

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All War is Failure. We need to stop rewarding Failure. That’s how Failure stops.

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It may well be failure to you, but tragically, to the arms merchants, war profiteers and oil barons who run this place, it’s their bottom line!

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Umm the civil war was worth it, the Revolutionary war was worth it

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The Civil War was a result of the inability of the north and the south to come to an agreement on the declaration of independence. During the declaration of independence, they failed, as in failure, to come to an agreement on whether or not we should get rid of slavery. so they put that issue aside and worked together to do the declaration of independence. That failure to come to an agreement led to the Civil War. Also known as, failure.

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The Civil War was more about economics I believe. The rest came as a result.

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Slavery was all about economics, particularly for the South.

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It was about basic rights! Property rights!

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Sadly, all wars are bankers wars.

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This nation has a psychopathic mindset. Obviously anything to enrich the treasuries of the oligarchs, even sending unwilling men and women to be used as cannon fodder. Witness the forced conscription policy of Zelensky , increased age to 50 years old I believe . They think as little of those sent to die for $$$ enrichment or fanatical right side extremism (see neo nazi fascism) . This mandated conscription shit needs to be vigorously opposed in every way. The oligarchic rulers are pressuring our cowardly institutions to do their bidding toward the same mass death and destruction outcome they need to maintain control.

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I keep advocating this. Watch YouTube channel Pavlo from Ukraine,see how many fit young men of fighting age have bought exemption certificates.

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Reply to Percy Groinbrush (below), Thank you for standing up for conscience.

All war is 'Intellectual Cowardice'. actually a condition of fear of SUZERAINTY, which is a position of control by a sovereign or state over another state that is internally anonymous or hidden.

All humanity's once worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') COUNCIL-PROCESS CP prescribes Both-sided, Equal-time, Recorded & Published FORMAL DIALOGUE exactly during times of incomprehension or disagreement. Because these puppets, follow the instructions of their Oligarch owner, campaign financiers so pervasively, they conspire with everything they have to shut you down. They don't have the confidence in their oligarch indoctrinated truths & therefore with Cowardice try to keep all of us & your wonderful voice on all our behalf silent. I was raised in a family with regular frequent equal-time formal family 'debates' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight'). I feel nourished & intrigued by the parallel minds of friends, family & even adversaries, because they provide a real view of part of humanity's common mind whether in loving capacity or Oligarch controlled psyche. In your ongoing work & Presidency, I hope restimulating the processes of 'Dialectic-Right' to raise issues & be heard with our fellows (Socrates), 'Satyagraha' (Hindi 'Truth-Search') of Mohandas Gandhi & ultimately restoring the CP of all our indigenous ancestors & 1st Nations here will be one of your ongoing accomplishments. BOTH-SIDES-NOW is a simplified process, which we use to help people engage in CP. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues

Mohandas Gandhi stated, "Non-violence springs from love, cowardice from hate. Non-violence always suffers, cowardice would always inflict suffering. Non-violence & cowardice go ill together. I can imagine a fully armed man to be at heart a COWARD." Gandhi is speaking here to the intelligent mind of the soldier as an active contributor to his or her community, society & ultimately to the international conversation of war & peace such as Social Media might afford today if converted from Mono to Dialogue? as westerners failed in stimulating around our travesty in Libya? https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-communication-converting-social-media-from-mono-to-dialogue-libya

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That's true. It is absolutely an honorable and sacred obligation to serve in defense of one's country. As a white man, please let me know what country is mine and prioritizes my interests... because it sure as shit isn't the United States.

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You’re right.

As a white man, this isn’t your country.

This is injun territory that’s been stolen by white men who committed genocide against the indigenous population.

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Ouch. Cut deep into the BS didn't you. Love it.🫤😂

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Stolen? Nah, not at all. Conquered. Conquered by heroic pioneers who drove out the barbarians so they could establish a land of Liberty for all civilized peoples.

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Barbarians???

Don’tcha mean savages???

Almost genocided, just like the bison.

The way I see it, anybody that celebrates/venerates that kinda shit, has a few screws loose.

Liberty??

For whom???

The original USA plan, said only a propertied white man can have constitutional rights.

And, it’s goin’ downhill insteada increasin’.

Maybe someday you’ll actually have to exercise one or more of them rights listed in that bill of particulars, and you’ll discover that it’s actually only a list of temporary privileges, that can be taken away.

Just ask the American Japanese in World War Two.

Or any brown colored American CITIZENS after that false flag nine eleven.

Or a white woman in Florida who says deny, defend, depose on the phone the a CEO.

If you actually believe that you have liberty in the USA, you’ve been had by Bernays.

The red man’s been done dirty, and that ain’t justice or liberty.

That’s theft, mass murder, and true barbarity.

Conquering is a piss poor substitute for peacefully coexisting.

The redskins offered it, but the white man lied, and took their land and their lives.

Where I come from, that ain’t right.

I guess I just don’t have no admiration for conquering heroes.

I’m more inclined towards peacemakers and creators, insteada takers and destroyers.

And, this continent was a paradise before ole whitey arrived.

Now it’s mostly a mall and a landfill.

I realize that ya can’t halt progress.

But, I sincerely believe that we coulda blunted its worse aspects, if we woulda coordinated/cooperated with, and learned from, our red brothers and sisters.

The USA has spent its existence burning up the beautiful resources that were stolen from the indigenous peoples, and now we spend a trillion fortunes goin’ around the globe, tryin’ to steal everybody else’s shit.

The jig is up.

Thirty five trillion +++ dollars in debt, and the world is going tied of our shit.

Our credit is shot.

The earth has grown weary of our nonstop war makin’, what some might call conquerin’.

And, now we’re conscriptin’ our kids???!!!

Maybe they don’t wanna be conquerers.

Maybe they’d prefer just bein’ brothers and sisters, and live long enough to be moms and dads, and neighbors, and friends instead of foes.

I don’t know, but it seems so.

How do I know???

Cause the guvamint can’t fit enough kids to volunteer to die and kill, so they’re gonna draft ‘em and compel ‘em against their wills.

Don’t sound like liberty to me.

Sounds similar to nazi Germany.

How about,

PERMANENT CEASEFIRE NOW???

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Heroic conquest by heroic men. Victory of civilization and peace over simplicity and savagery.

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Peace???

The USA is nothing more than perpetual war.

Savagery is what the “S” in USA stands for.

“S” for simplicity would be a welcome change of pace in this shithole, shit show crime, posing as a country.

The USA will perish friendless, by its own words, works, and deeds.

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If you aren’t as successful as you thought you would be as a white dude in America, then there is absolutely no one to blame but yourself or perhaps your parents. Just because untethered misogyny and racism isn’t an available tool for white guys to be successful doesn’t mean America is against white men. It means white guys finally have to earn their place in society. Pretty easy to understand if you have any moral compass or even a bit of education. The oppression of others is what starts wars and genocide. And the right wing has convinced the white American man that without preferential treatment they once were given, they are not able to achieve anything. A level playing field has to be defeated in order for white male Americans to maintain control.

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Why are losers like you such hateful bigots? You're on the wrong side of history and you know it. Evil prejudiced hateful monsters like you will be eliminated from our society and the earth salted so you can never again spread your message of hate and violence.

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That is comical. The bigots were just elected into office. None of them self-made. Trump nearly lost all the money he inherited (would have done just as well by parking it in the stock market). The prejudice is coming from inside the Trump administration. And if you think the billionaires are thinking about your small life, you are the useful idiot they count on to make their money grow. Good work

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A violent extremist like yourself does not deserve to live in a civilized society. Why are you so full of hate? Why do you insist on being on the wrong side of history? Stop spreading hate and misinformation... being a horrible wretched loser doesn't pay off. Better yourself. Educate yourself.

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No more 👎 wars for Greater Israel & Jewish Supremacy.

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It's not Jewish supremacy. It's zionist supremacy. Judaism is used as a front by zionists to justify colonisation and terrorism

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The Jewish Talmud says different.

It is the Jewish state of Israel, not the Zionist state of Israel.

Bottom line, Israel has to go bye bye.

It’s a crime impersonating a country.

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Revelation 3:9

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie

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Kazarians are to Jews like how Mafia is to regular Italians.

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From a little more readable translation,

“Look! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews, but are not, but are lying—“

Both versions say the same thing, but I found the one you used harder to parse.

In this case, “lying” includes those who don’t realize what they say is false. Satan loves to convince people that they are doing God’s will, while doing the exact opposite. See: evangelical support for Trump. The master Deceiver, his methods on clear display. Flood the field with manure, bury the truth. Make it struggle to be heard.

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They're our most reliable and best military ally in the world. Jewish Supremacy. Why aren't you out smashing the windows of delicatessens?

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I think the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty who survived and the families of those murdered on that ship by that "ally" might think differently.

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You know what? I haven't looked into that. I will.

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You definitely should look into it. It was during the 1967 war. The USS Liberty was a spy ship, clearly marked as American and with a massive American flag flying off the rear. Israeli fighters were flying planes from which the identifying marks had been removed. They flew over the USS Liberty all day, some of the sailors recounting that they flew low enough to wave to. Then the pilots were told to start attacking the Liberty after Israel jammed the radio frequency making it impossible for the Liberty to issue a distress call. The sailors on the liberty were able to get a signal and sent out a distress call. Johnson immediately ordered two rescue ships to go to their aid. Before reaching the Liberty it was confirmed that the attack had come from Israel. When Johnson learned it was Israel who’d attacked he ordered the rescue vessels to turn around, leaving our sailors to die. I believe Israel also attacked with naval vessels, shooting up the lifeboats, and attempting to kill the sailors trying to reach the remaining lifeboats. Many US servicemen died that day and even more were injured. Israel was unsuccessful in sinking the Liberty, an attempt to hide the evidence. Those servicemen have never received recognition and some have stated that they were forbidden to discuss it. One sailor had been on deck filming when the attack began. The film was confiscated and has never seen the light of day.

The theory has been that Israel hoped to create a false flag operation, blaming Egypt for the attack, thereby drawing the US into the war. Israel has tried time and again to draw the US into war with Iran, which would certainly not be in our best interests. They pushed hard for the wars with Iraq and Afghanistan. Israel wants hegemony in the ME and has no concern for the best interests of US. They have spied on us, sold the technology that was developed with US taxpayer money and given to them by the US. Israel isn’t a true ally to anyone. Their exclusive interest is in themselves and they will take advantage and double cross anyone to achieve their goals. Research JFK and Israel’s promises regarding nuclear weapons. Israel’s possession of nuclear weapons is the greatest threat to peace in the ME and responsible for any nuclear proliferation in the area.

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That's life when you are another country's "bitch". Does ANYONE still believe the USA is not totally Zionist occupied? Anyone who will study 19 and 20th century history will see this pattern repeated again and again...

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The Balfour Declaration itself supports and confirms your assertion. Humans are able to rationalize nigh-anything to not see this for what it is.

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Thank you, Kathleen, for this historical reminder. It was hazy in my mind & I didn’t remember the details so I had to look it up. It is yet another horrid travesty.

And -"Adjusting for inflation, US aid to Israel from 1951 to 2022 totaled $317.9 billion, making it the largest recipient of American foreign aid since World War II.” And another $18 BILLION + from the U.S. to Israel for this current horror.

We have been sending Israel BILLION$ for YEARS. Yet, stateside, we have homeless—amongst the homeless are our veterans; we cannot help our students with school loans...

And why do we continue funding when the majority of American people do not want their taxpayer dollars going to kill children & families!

And what about Israel giving money (our money) to Hamas for years?

"Israel tacitly encouraged Hamas to stay in power…” NYT

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?op=1

Israel drove suitcases of cash to Hamas

https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-security-forces-escorted-suitcases-cash-hamas-qatar-report-2023-12?op=1

“Israel approved millions to Hamas to keep Gaza stable"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-approved-millions-in-monthly-payments-to-hamas-for-years-to-keep-gaza-stable-report/ar-AA1lhyxu

How does ANY of this make sense?

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It's well worth looking into, and I will. My instinct is that you're right. If you are, I can't defend it, though I can understand it. I remember The Six Day War. In late May/early June, it looked very much as though Israel faced extinction. Ask yourself what you might be willing to do if you thought your life might depend on it. This is a fallen world, and we are a species which has been known to eat its dead children to stave off starvation.

I'm 72, and consider myself to be of that first generation which had to grapple with the fact of the Holocaust. ( My criterion for membership in that club is that one must remember when Eichmann was tracked down, and I do. ) Human life is individual, not corporal, still, we don't flinch from talking about "Japanese war crimes" or "Irish ruthlessness," and if you've known Holocaust survivors, which I have and which I gather you haven't, your reservoir of what you will give sanction to in Jewish behavior will be huge. Whatever crimes Jews have committed against non Jews can't begin to compare in numbers with the crimes which non Jews have committed against Jews.

No sane country is ever at the behest of another, and that isn't what an alliance requires, anyway. I ask you to remember that Islamicists want you dead only somewhat less than they want Jews dead. From you and possibly me they might accept a meek surrender to dhimmitude, it's true, but I personally would prefer death.

Your idea that Israel's possession of nuclear weapons is the greatest threat to Middle Eastern peace strikes me as so perverse I can't see that I should address it.

I'm a Christian, worship the King of the Jews, and see anti - Semitism as demonic. Romans 9 - 11 should annihilate any trace of anti - Semitism in anyone who takes it as Holy Writ, which, of course, I do.

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I'd kindly suggest laying off the western imperial kool aid. Absolute nonsense, with all due respect. I've travelled across Muslim-majority countries and not only did nobody try to kill me (shocker) but they welcomed me at every turn. I'm about the most white, western looking guy you can think of. Or is this all part of their dastardly plan too? 🤦🏻‍♂️

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I am 71. I am horrified by the Holocaust, that it was allowed to continue for so long. There’s no justification for genocide either in law or morality. I oppose antisemitism as I oppose any form of racism or prejudice.

Where we part company is your assumption that having suffered a holocaust the Jewish people, though I would differ and say Zionists, get a pass for atrocities against others because the numbers of victims is less. No individual and no state or non state actor has permission to inflict harm on others. The holocaust was horrific and a blight on humanity. The current genocide in Gaza is also horrific and a blight on humanity. There a reason that genocide enjoys NO JUSTIFICATION in law, because there simply is no justification for committing that level of death and destruction of another people. By your logic, any group who’s suffered a horrible crime has the right to inflict the same or a lesser crime against others. That puts the lie to “never again”. If the world ascribed to your logic revenge would be allowable and all international law would be out the window resulting in chaos and survival of the wealthiest and strongest. That’s not a world that many of us would choose to live in.

Your racism towards Muslims, lumping them all into radical islamists, is very offensive. Every religion has extremists. They don’t represent the entire religion. Hitler was a Catholic but I don’t think any sane person would suggest that he represents all Catholics.

I wouldn’t expect any country to bow to the US, though we do hold many countries hostage through financial aid, etc. We routinely exert undue pressure on other countries to garner their vote at the UN, etc. I dispute Israel’s status as our great ally because of their killing of Americans, some executed, with no accountability. Their willingness to violate US imposed sanctions, selling arms in violation of US prohibition, never honoring the boycott of S Africa during apartheid continuing military cooperation and arms sales. Since George W’s administration they have pushed for bunker buster bombs to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, lobbied hard to avoid the deal with Iran which allowed for monitoring of Iran’s nuclear program and provided our best chance to avoid a nuclear Iran. They know that if they manage to start a war with Iran we’ll be forced into the conflict. It’s one thing to put your country’s needs first, it’s another to try to drag another country into a conflict that definitely not in their best interest.

If you lived in the other Middle East countries, knowing what Israel has done in the last 75+ years with full US support and political cover, I think you’d be uncomfortable. Israel has committed targeted assassinations of many Iranian nuclear scientists, cyberattacks, and the recent bombing of the Iranian consulate in Syria. They routinely bomb Syria, a sovereign nation (regardless of what you may think of them), in violation of international law. With such a ruthless neighbor it’s not a surprise that other countries would seek nuclear deterrence.

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Why are White nations being targeted for destruction? And by who?

“I keep six honest serving men, they taught me all I knew. Their names are What and Why and When and How and Where and Who.” - Rudyard ...

crushlimbraw.blogspot.com

What say we broaden the perspective by asking questions?

Why is this happening?

https://crushlimbraw.blogspot.com/2024/06/why-are-white-nations-being-targeted.html?m=0

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Look at Tom’s Substack by Tom Calabretta, June 3, 2024. He writes a great synopsis of events as an eye (or rather “ear”) witness to the liberty fiasco. He was at US radio station and received and forwarded the Liberty’s distress call to Washington DC during the event. He is nonjudgmental, but there were troubling details regarding the US response and also Israeli participation. Don’t miss it.

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Can you tell me if any Israel’s fought during the war of terror? Netanyahu wanted Saddam and Gaddaffi gone, but Israeli troops got to stay home and watch Americans die. Some ally.

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I'm not sure what to make of this. As for the War on Terror, George W. Bush is a war criminal and an idiot. Cheney, Wolfowitz, Condoleeza Rice and the others are only war criminals.

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A superficial take. For example, 9/11 and 10/7 are mirrored events, blatant false flags allowed/abetted/assisted and perhaps outright planned by the “victimized” countries in order to justify the subsequent power and land grabs.

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10/7 was not a false flag. N.S. Lyons' Substack has an analysis of the Israeli security failures which made the attack possible. It isn't paywalled. Read it. Israel was vulnerable not because its security was too simple but because it was too complex.

As I read it, I couldn't help admiring Hamas' ingenuity in figuring out that they could breach the surveillance with Big Box store - level supplies. Evil, evil, evil, but very clever.

Again, read it. It will alter your superficial take.

I have little but contempt for the intelligence and decency of people who think 9/11 was a false flag. Do you realize what monsters our leadership, our military, and our intelligence people would have to have been to have done that? George W. Bush waved off an intelligence briefing he was given in the summer of 2001 that Al Qaeda was planning a big terror strike in the United States. He told the C.I.A. intelligence officer, "Okay, Skippy, you've done your job. You can get your butt out of here now."

Bush is a dullard and a 77 year old rich brat. You can't impeach a President for policy failure, though.

You're another useful idiot for anti Semitic propaganda. Tell me, please, what "land grabs" have the Israelis made?

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Two words: Operation Northwoods.

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In your mind all land Israel occupies belongs to them, so he cannot prove there were land grabs to you.

https://open.substack.com/pub/nevertrustawizard/p/before-you-argue-with-a-zionist?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1onmwi

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Today, rich israelis with double passports can live in comfort outside israel , in florida for example like netanyahus son, and cheer on the genocide from afar

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I was just looking this thread over and was stopped cold by the comment: please tell me that you do understand that for most of their history, the modern Israelis have been the primary target of the terror war. You do get that, right?

The United States first real experience of Islamic terrorism was the bombing of Pan Am 103 in December, 1988. I do not count the attack on the Marine barracks in Beirut in 1983 or 1984 as a domestic terror attack. Our military was on Middle Eastern land.

By comparison, google the following:

post 1970 islamic terror attacks on israel

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Reliable ally? They are making a laughing stock of the US around the world, as Biden feebly pretends to plead with israel, which israel ignores, the US presents an ISRAELI ceasefire proposal which israel denies and refuses to support - a farce if it weren’t so tragic for the Palestinians. Israel us dragging the US into shame and ignominy, and the world is soon to witness the shameful spectacle of the US congress applauding wanted war criminal netanyahu in its congress

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And I believe it won’t get any better with Trump. If current policy enriches the MIC. Joe’s all for it.

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Nice, when are you signing up?

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That shouldn’t stop you if you really cared. The other Zionist regime in Ukraine 🇺🇦 has sent people with special needs to die on the front lines.

Fighting these forever ♾️ wars in the Middle East has gotten us nowhere and $35T in debt. We weaponized the dollar and that has backfired. No one is suggesting turning on Jews rather suggesting not supporting the Zionist regime… there a big difference although you prefer to conflate the two.

Not sure if you are paying any attention to the UN voting but supporting this Zionist regime, now has us completely isolated.

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Yeah but just think how much money defense companies made and then shared with their shareholders and pilfered back into conglomerates wallets.

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"Zionist" is just a euphemistic way of saying that you want to finish the job Hitler started. Think, please: you hate God's chosen people, the people who gave us the Savior, The Lord Jesus Christ, King of the Jews.

The Devil's own. Sleep well.

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Israelis are the people who gave the world a livestreamed genocide, starvation, atrocities against trapped civilians - depraved, sadistic nazis. Justice will come, a good day for humanity today with the ICC arrest warrants fir netanyahu and galant

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Twisted. And you know it. To borrow Sheldon Vanauken's phrasing, corruption is never involuntary. The Lord God Incarnate, Jesus Christ, is among other things The King of the Jews.

Jew hatred is a virus of the soul, carried by demons. Repent. Jesus live, died, and rose again for you. Read Romans 1 - 5.

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Not sure if you've ever paid any attention to the Bible, and to be candid, am pretty sure you have not. I worship the King of the Jews, and see anti - Semitism as the demonic thing which it is.

If you can have witnessed the nightmarish eruption of open anti - Semitism in the last eight months and be oblivious to the evil which it is, your spiritual perceptiveness is dull, indeed. Read The Gospel of John and The Epistle to the Romans, paying special attention in the latter to chapters 9 - 11.

Genesis 12:3 has not been abrogated. It's far safer to be isolated because of our advocacy of Israel than to get crossways with God. Are you aware that the Bible prophesies that in the last days the entire world will turn against Israel? Are we in those days? I think we are in a prelude to them, and things are likely to get only worse.

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The nightmarish eruption is the nazi/zionist israeli holocaust of Palestinians over the past 13 months. All the hallmarks of nazism - supreme race, brutal sadistic inhuman cruelty to other human beings, land theft for expansion- AND the israels as willing executioners just as in nazi germany. zionism is pure nazism.

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You're sc*m, the Devil's own.

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At 72 and severely disabled since childhood, not anytime soon. For what it's worth, I'm America First, too, and part of that is recognizing that we need allies. I hope to live to see the ninety million Iranians who despise the mullahs get rid of them.

An America/Israeli/Iranian alliance would be highly likely to happen, and if you want peace, you should hope it does. There is an Iranian born Londoner, Mahyar Tousi, whose YouTube channel, TousiTV, I urge you to have a look at.

I would have hoped that Globalism's clear pro Hamas affinity would have convinced guys like you that "Jewish Globalism" is a lunatic fever dream. In any event, I believe Genesis 12: 3.

Huey Long didn't live to see World War II. He was shot in 1935. A reporter once asked him what he thought of the Nazis.

Long, not verbatim, but close: "Study history. Any nation which turns against the Jews gets destroyed."

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Why do you need a "reliable ally". Youre surrounded by thousands of miles of ocean. Cowards

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Always good to hear from an America hater. Did you make this comment in 1898?

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They have worked with and armed Mexican drug cartels infiltration of US markets.

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Proof, please.

Did you know they also drink the blood of Christian children?

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/07/mexico-cartels-drugs-spying-corruption not a mistake. https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-08-30-mn-1305-story.html old but historic precedent. This is around the same time Israel was supporting Hamas as the only viable leadership in Gaza as a hedge against the leadership in the West Bank. Many have a tough time spiritually separating disparate Jewish peoples around the world from Israel proper, yet conflating them helps no one. Mossad is everywhere, whether you wish to believe it or not. And I’m sure none of this is state sponsored... https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-08-30-mn-1305-story.html Take care

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Israel under Netanyahu is not a reliable military ally. They have become a nasty bunch of Nazis who have forced America to become complicit in their genocidal land grab. You mention Kristallnacht. What about Gaza and Southern Lebanon? We’ve gone way beyond broken windows in delicatessens now!

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The invocation of Naziism is the lowest of blows, and you lowlifes all know it.

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Men from the age of 18 through 25 or 26 have always been required to register with Selective Service, that doesn't mean that there will be a draft. Only that everyone eligible will be registered if a draft is needed. Senior year in high school many of the older boys had to register. I remember seeing the posters which said "a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do." And I thought, wow, we need a men's movement. Imagine if there was a poster that said "a Black's gotta do what a Black's gotta do, " or "A Gay's gotta do what a Gay's gotta do." Our society places no value on men, only as utilitarian pawns in their international chess game.

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And women's value, apparently given the Supreme Court, is determined by marriage making babies...otherwise there this " third quarter of 2020 (the most recent national data), women in the United States earned 30% less than men and that pay gap increased with age. "(census.gov)

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Oh dear, don't draw me into this debate. You will lose. Here is a stat for you: "Similarly, women made up 8.1 percent (445) of all workplace fatalities" So, let's see, men make up almost 92% of workplace fatalities. And a similarly high percentage of workplace injuries, which may be serious, disabling, and eventually lead to premature death. Why don't women break the glass ceiling of workplace death and start dying in equal numbers?

And do you want to talk about abortion? Because, if I am the father, and let's say I want to keep our child, and even if I'm willing to raise the child as a single dad parent, the woman is like "my body my choice, I'm a gonna kill it." But suddenly, let her decide to have the child, and if I am the father and don't want the child, I will have to pay child support for 20 years, suddenly, it is the father's responsibility and his doing that this life came into existence, and the father is on the hook. I've known guys who had to spend time in jail due to delinquent child support-even guys who were earning a poverty level pay, and the mother earned six figures and had a new husband who earned a lotta cash.

Yeah, don't draw me into a debate on the value our society places on men, vs. the worship it heaps upon women, because I will win. Although I love women, I am right about this. Thanks.

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Speaking of abortion and women's rights, where are the so-called right-to-lifers when it comes to their 18-year-olds? Do you see any of them at anti-war rallies, or are these just for the leftists and subversives? They'll die defending the right of the fetus to be born, but wave the flag of perpetual, profit-driven war in front of them and all of a sudden they are uber-patriots, sending these same precious lives off to kill and/or be killed in the name of the freedom of the banks and war profiteers to further gouge the taxpayer. If there's anything unfettered capitalism and blind, unquestioning faith breeds, it's hypocrisy.

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I don’t think any party is particularly anti-war

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What a horrible statement. There are too many women to count who are America first conservatives who hate abortion and war. That’s why we’re voting for Trump. Only candidate in my memory who I trust in both issues. Don’t kill children, don’t send them to war. Period.

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Because Trump has such obvious respect for women. Uh huh.

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Speaking as a man of long-standing (61 years), I'll go to my grave convinced we are by far the worst of the two genders and deserving of limitless contempt.

I agree with your point about the draft, though. I registered when I turned 18 and so did my son. I'm not sure that this 'auto draft' increases the risk for a war. After all, the US has been fighting someone somewhere virtually my entire life...including the years after the draft was no longer mandatory.

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You are a gem of a man, imho, & definitely not worthy of infinite contempt, as are so many wonderful men who have given their lives to love & support their families, their friends, their nations. Even the majority of those who died in the wars most never understood!

But you are also correct that the majority of the violence on our Earth has beed committed

by men, conceived by men, enabled by men.

But it is not completely their fault, it is the fault of the twisted & abusive cultures that raised them & took advantage of their natural instincts of aggression to protect themselves & their loved ones. The culture that also raised them with violence, humiliation & psychological abuse & sent them off to be cannon fodder for the "King's" wars of aggression. To dig down deeper into how humanity & children & men & women hot into

this mess read "Saharasia" by James DeMeo, PhD.

Boys raised in Peaceful, Matriarchal societies are completely different. Violance against women, child sexual abuse & violence & war basically did not exist.

The work on Bonobos & Chimpanzees also tells us that peace & plenty brings more peace & plenty, while lack creates aggression & war like behaviors.

One single generation raised without violence & suffering breaks the cycle, which is why in my opinion, the demons are busy warmongering one more.

Blessings to you, and remember, many of us girls really, really love you boys!

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Speak for yourself re: men. Its viewpoints like yours that allow young men to be considered as disposable as they are treated.

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Thanks, I will.

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This sounds like cope, though. Maybe if you would try to debate and not talk about you. Also, there's a low level percentage of men who raise their children alone without women in their lives (thanks to the USA experiment we have that data!) and that is not because social laws. It's because your male biology. You lack what women have in the field of child rearing, biologically. And that's why every government use men and not women as cannon fodder. Do not need to say anything about my personal relations with people around me to talk about why things are the way they are.

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Not sure I am speaking about my personal relationships. I am speaking generally, although I mention someone specifically who spent time in jail due to lapsed child support, he's not the only one. It is just more glaring an example because of the financial disparity.

Nevertheless, you open a new can of worms. Nobody today can say what is a woman. You have to be a marine biologist to determine that. Male biology and female biology is now the same. Men have periods. Women have beards. The progressive agenda blurs that line, so your thoughts about male biology are antiquated, quaint, and irrelevant.

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Hello buddy. Again, it's not about you. Also we as a human race know what is a woman. Some of our governments don't, but then the governments are not real either. If human males were biologically intended to care for the young they would not have male sexuality strategy: to make as much children as they can. This is why guys have unlimited amounts of sperm and don't go into menopause as women do. There's no solution to that evolutionarily sexual strategy in humans and if you want to change men in that regard, well, then you're clearly talking from the same social constructivist culture, and you're the same as the people who pretend they don't know what a woman is.

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Really?

I've been alive for 79 years and never had any doubt whether there is any blurring of the line between male and female. One simple has to look and experience the difference between the male and female 'naughty bits' which conveniently fit together so nicely and pleasurably.

I've never had a period, nor have I had a relationship with a woman who sports a beard.

I think your can of worms is a disinformation fantasy that need to be kept closed.

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You’re conflating sex with gender.

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What an utterly facile comparison. I hope the next woman you say that to has a blunt instrument near at hand, but instead kicks you in your balls and tells you off while you’re writhing on the floor.

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I'm not American but I remember when Carter reinstated draft registration. It was in response to the invasion of Afghanistan by the Soviet Union. At that time 19 and 20 year olds had to register (there had been a lull for several years post Vietnam). But then as time progressed millions and millions of young men simply didn't bother registering. Did this affect their future in terms of say, not being able to get a government job? In any case, lack of registration was never enforced. This bill automaticallly registers the young. Not sure if this is simply a way of streamlining a system that wasn't working or is there's something more sinister at play?

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Have you been to a local Registry of Motor Vehicles lately?

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Non American here. And way too old. Is the vehicle registry an automatic draft reg for the 18-26 set?

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Poor, poor men. So oppressed.

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She’s not your “dear”, patronizing asshole.

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But why are you trying to win? Differing opinions are not about competition, they are just that differing opinions. If you are the only one who determines whether or not you win, does that man you’ve won? If 10 other people disagree and say you’ve lost does that mean you’ve lost?

Also individuals need to be more mindful of who they have children with. There are consequences to our actions and those actions should also be considered within a society that has the laws that it does around children. Too much reckless sex as if by now people don’t know that semen in a vagina can lead to pregnancy.

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Oh what a fun Thread this these mortals weft & weave with ?

I pretty much have concluded don’t argue - save my energy - we ‘ve destroyed the planet / we’re all going to HEDouble Hockey Sticks

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Zoomer women make more than men (our potential draftees here). Sorry burst your boomer feminist take.

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This has been debunked forever

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What crock!!!!

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Imagine that

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For what Evil is trying to run our Country, if I were these young people, I would refuse. These scum trying to run our Country need to be put out there.

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I also thought this law was already on the books. I am very concerned about the direction our government is taking us, however.

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My body. My choice. In all matters. For everyone.

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That is not how it is in Britain. We are all freeborn. But some plummy voices Tories are talking up conscription+ we know every British Prime Minister loves to suck off whichever human spawn of Satan occupied the White House since 1990. I'm sure Sir Never Here is particularly adept.

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Yup I signed up but I left the state for college in Chicago - then my dad And I both received notice notices / No Thank You - you’re ineligible

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“Always”? Not quite. Selective Service registration wasn’t required of me, because I was born before 1960.

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Now it is automated. You won't have to go do it. It is done FOR YOU.

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Here is exactly the reason why the ruling class foments constant conflict and war, and why they MUST always have us fearing and hating an 'evil enemy' (who the scary enemy happens to be can change from generation to generation, but what doesn't change is that the ruling class ALWAYS have a scary boogeyman enemy ready for us to be afraid of and hate (and cling on to them - the ruling class manipulators - to protect and save us from the scary monstrous evil enemy who wants to hurt us for no reason whatsoever, simply because they're evil...) https://www.pdrboston.org/oppressors-need-bogeyman-enemies

In my view, this is a MUST READ for every human on the planet, and especially for Americans. If we were all aware of the trick they're playing on us then it wouldn't work for them anymore. So please read this profoundly important essay (that provides full citations and sources) and please share it so that the majority of us wake up to their manipulative tricks on us, and no longer fall for their propaganda. This is when their jig will be up and the ground ready for true change.

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Americans crapped their pants over a respiratory infection and tossed out their last remaining rights along with soiled undies. Convince minds like that that they're being tricked?

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I hear you, fully understand the frustration and truly thank you for caring. I don't know what else can one do other than try one's best to bring this to humanity's attention so that we may change course through greater and deeper awareness of how the ruling class operate and of the mechanisms they use to maintain their domination over us and profit off of us, such as, for example, the ownership of, control over and manipulation of the flow of information, in order to both affect our psychology as well as keep us ignorant of (and so, not challenging) the stratified unfree nature of our society and economy (detailed in the link I shared above, as well as in this profound and insightful essay https://johnspritzler.substack.com/p/why-have-no-rich-and-no-poor).

In my understanding and study of history, this (bringing these things to light and helping people become aware of the nature of the ruling class' control over us) is the factor that historically has lead to change, but of course I could be wrong about this. If there is a better course of action then I'd definitely like to know about it 🙏

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When you say humanity, you mean the whole world? My disdain (vs. frustration) I aim solely at "Americans."

One cannot continually laud oneself as "free and brave" and then behave in exactly opposite ways and 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑖𝑛 a person of integrity. Or a country remain free. And that has zero to do with "the ruling class." That has to do with character.

Thus, what the vast majority in this country revealed was their character -- not their lack of knowledge. Oh, maybe that, too, but bottom line? The country got presented with a fundamental question -- one that defines what it means to be American -- and it failed spectacularly. The "shining city on a hill" got an F- -- if that's possible.

I've said elsewhere that Sep 11 was the first test of the 21st century, which Americans failed. The COVID Operation was their final exam...and they failed that, too.

Had the majority acted as our "Marketing" department continually advertises, this latest, most grievous crime would have had nowhere to go...In standing for freedom, vs. trading it for "safety," the people would have saved themselves...and possibly the whole world.

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